Corel PHOTO-PAINT atau Adobe Photoshop???

[Pamela]

hi! selama ini boeat ngedit gambar (untuk web site) gue pake PHOTO-PAINT, tapi gue peratiin, kebanyakan web authors ama graphic designers pakenya Photoshop... yg mo gua tanyain, emang apa kelebihan Photoshop dibanding PHOTO-PAINT??? boeat yg udah pernah nyoba 2 software itu... please dhuong kasih review dikit buat gue... soalnya gue penasaran bgtd... setau gue Corel PHOTO-PAINT itu udah lebih duluan ngeluarin produknya pertama kali dan punya features yg canggih2, juga, produk Corel itu salah satu program yg ngedukung the latest technology in graphic editing... so please, all you graphic editing experts out there, kasitau gue dhuong bagusan pake software yg mana boeat ngedit gambar boeat dipasang di web site... thanks...
[diedit oleh Pamela, 21-10-2000, 02:32 PM]

[Transputer]

Dua duanya <B>T<B>iada masalah tuh...
gue suka Photoshop karena gue cuma punya itu buat ngedit Image.. and terbiasa menggunakannya.. kalo disuruh pegang Photo-Paint.. gue ogahh..

lo juga kalo dikasih Photoshop paling dikit bingung..

tapi lebih baik lo coba semua deh.. mulai dari PhotoShop, PhotoPaint, GIMP, dll.. selagi softwarenya masih ada yang murah.. tehee.heheheh he hehe

[ActiveX]

Photoshop sampai sekarang masih menjadi The Best Image Editing & Compositing software, dan secara de facto diakui sebagai standar image editing dunia. Para profesional jelas sampai sekarang masih mengandalkan Photoshop. Mengapa?
* Photoshop adalah satu dari sangat sedikit (kalo nggak mau dibilang satu-satunya) software image editing yang tersedia untuk komputer Mac (MacOS) dan Windows. Photoshop muncul pertama kali di Mac, jadi para veteran graphic desainer yang pakai Mac udah lama akrab dengan Photoshop.
* Teknologi layer (lapisan) untuk komposisi gambar mungkin dikembangkan oleh para perancang Photoshop di Adobe, dan sangat praktis dan cepat (robust) melakukan komposisi gambar di Photoshop.
* Photoshop menggunakan teknologi Plug-In untuk meningkatkan kemampuannya, dan Plug-In Photoshop didukung banyak pihak dan menjadi standar plug-in dunia untuk software image editing. Beberapa plug-in Photoshop canggih yang dibuat oleh pihak ketiga misalnya: Extensis PhotoTools dan keluarganya, Alien Skin EyeCandy, Alien Skin Xenofex, Kai Power Tools (KPT) 3, 5 dan 6, dan masih banyak lagi.
* Photoshop memiliki bahasa skrip yang disebut action untuk mengotomatiskan beberapa langkah yang semula kita lakukan manual. Jadi action di Photoshop semacam macro di aplikasi Microsoft Office.
* Di dunia percetakan komersial, Photoshop masih menjadi standar karena dukungannya untuk warna-warna industri percetakan.

Masih banyak lagi keunggulan Photoshop yang lain. Oya, Photoshop 6 udah keluar. Makin canggih aja tentunya. Photoshop emang software mahal (kalo beli yang original) karena dipakai industri grafis digital dunia.

[Anak Dewa]

ActiveX
I don't mean to be rude... tapi elo ngomong kaya gitu ada bukti ga nih??? mungkin artikel dari PC Online atau apa gitu sumber yang bisa dipercaya... soalnya emang bener kata Pamela k'lo Corel PHOTO-PAINT itu muncul duluan daripada Photoshop... dan biasanya sih k'lo software yg muncul duluan itu lebih bagus karena programmers & artist2 di yang kerja belakangnya udah lebih pengalaman dalam bidangnya... elo bisa kasih liat gue karya/artwork elo yang dibikin pake Photoshop??? soalnya gue penasaran adja ama ni software... ada yang bilang Photoshop banyak yang make cuma karena Adobe juga nyiptain program2 useful laen... e.g. Adobe PageMaker yang udah terkenal di kalangan penerbit2 buat bikin layout halaman... jadi mereka pake photoshop untuk graphic editing-nya & pagemaker untuk layout halaman-nya... karena mereka pikir kedua software ini berasal dari perusahaan yang sama, jadi sudah pasti keduanya bisa saling ngedukung features2 yang tersedia (yang secara keseluruhan bisa mempermudah kerja mereka)... jadi masuk akal juga kan k'lo mereka mikir-nya kaya gitu???

[bejita]

dua duanya dulu dari mac, kenapa photoshop? kenapa nggak photopaint? mungkin masalah fitur, photoshop lebih banyak didukung sama filter2 / plugin

CMIIW

[Riovasky]

yang palih gue suka dari photoshop ialah layernya booo...
bisa dikotak katik...
dan kegunaannya banyak banget...
kita bisa ngedit suatu gambar tampa mempengaruhi gambar yang laen...
trus layer efect-nya bisa membuat efect 3D lightning...
trus filternya booo.... buuaanyak...

[Elisha]

Well gue sich bukan ahlinya di Photoshop, tapi gue pernah belajar sedikit. Gue pernah sekolah Multimedia and Graphic Design di Sydney (Australia), di sana setiap sekolah Graphic Design, baik College maupun University of Graphic Design memakai Photoshop. Begitu pula di setiap perusahaan yang bergerak di bidang Graphic Design selalu memakai Photoshop karena Photoshop punya sarana pendukung yang cukup kuat, contohnya : Photoshop Illustrator dll. Di Sydney ada sekolah Graphic Design cabangnya dari Hollywood (gue lupa apa benar tulisannya) mereka memakai Photoshop. Apa lagi Photoshop 6.0 bisa untuk buat film animation.

[Macaddict]

Corel itu udah mau bangkrut. Program2x-nya udah banyak yang nggak dia update atau dukung lagi. Photoshop itu bukannya standard aja, tapi the best image editing software there is on the market. Yang kedua, Canvas dari Deneba. Lebih murah, bisa vector graphics, tapi nggak standard.

Photoshop nggak menang market cuma karena software Adobe lain. Contrary to popular belief, Softwarenya Adobe nggak fully support satu sama lain. At least dulu, loe nggak bisa transfer file photoshop langsung ke Illustrator dan balik lagi tanpa kehilangan layer. Nggak tahu Photoshop 6 sama Illustrator 9, gue masih pake 5.5 dan 8.0. Mereka emang bisa dipake bareng untuk ngerjain satu artwork, tapi rada repot sih.

Gue bisa kasih lihat hasil kerjaan Photoshop nih. Ada majalah namanya Design Graphics dari Australia. Isi belakangnya tuh segala macem artwork pake Photoshop dan software lain.
More magazines: IT Graphics, Desktop, Computer Arts
Sites: www.computerarts.co.uk, www.itgraphics.com.au

Adobe Pagemaker udah lama nggak dianggep sebagai industry standard karena ada Quark Xpress yang jauh lebih flexible dan useful. Adobe sendiri udah nggak update PageMaker sejak 6.5+. Mereka bilang kalo itu bakalan jadi versi terakhir PM karena sekarang mereka ada InDesign dan InProduction yang lebih mirip sama Quark Xpress. Pagemaker sekarang ditargetin ke home user dan small business. Printing press dan publishing companies udah sedikit banget yang pake itu.

[ActiveX]

Anak Dewa, kalo mau bukti coba deh iseng-iseng main ke perusahaan yang bergerak di bidang desktop publishing, misalnya ke kompleks perusahaan Gramedia di Palmerah, Jakarta Selatan. Di sana banyak penerbit majalah dan tabloid dalam satu kompleks. Coba tanya ke setiap majalah atau tabloid di sana, software image editing-nya pakai apa? Pasti semuanya jawab Photoshop. Versinya bisa macam-macam, mungkin versi 4 atau 5 atau 5.5, meskipun yang 6 udah keluar. Apa boleh buat, Photoshop masih jadi pilihan para profesional.

[ActiveX]

Begini deh, nggak ada ruginya belajar Photoshop. Semua sekolah graphic design di seluruh dunia ngajarin Photoshop. Kalo bekerja di perusahaan desktop publishing atau internet, yang pasti diminta dan wajib kita kuasai adalah Photoshop. Ini fakta. Jadi pasar memang meminta Photoshop.

[Elisha]

That's true guys. Adobe is the best. Udah begitu kalo adobe lebih mudah memakainya. Photoshop, Illustrator, and Quark Xpress can be connected.
Benar kata si ActiveX, nggak rugi kalo belajar Photoshop. Tapi kalo loe mau lebih expert lagi yach loe pelajari Illustrator and Quark Xpress juga.

[bejita]

alternatif bisa pake paintshop pro ( PSP )

[ActiveX]

Kalo raster editing gue emang pake Photoshop, tapi kalo vector drawing gue pake Freehand atau CorelDraw, bukan Illustrator. Freehand dari Macromedia sangat handal dan cepat, seperti software Macromedia lainnya, lagian mendukung penuh Flash, maklum dari Macromedia juga.

[Anak Dewa]

boeat ActiveX dan Maccadict...
makasih bgtd boeat penjelasannya... boeat ActiveX, sorry fer being rude... :)

boeat bejita
bukannya Paint Shop Pro kemampuan-nya masih dibawah PHOTO-PAINT & Photoshop??? Paint Shop Pro kan software boeat beginners, right???

[bejita]

info ttg paintshop pro ada http://www.jasc.com/

yang jelas PC yang direkomendasikan lebih ringan dari photoshop, dan juga fasilistasnya menyerupai photoshop

[bejita]

paintshoppro :

Languages
Paint Shop Pro is available in International English, French, German, Italian, Korean, Japanese, and Dutch.
Contact your local Jasc Master Representative for purchase information.

Minimum System Requirements
Pentium® or comparable processor
32 MB RAM
75 MB free hard disk space
256-color display adapter at 800 x 600 resolution
Windows® 95, Windows 98, Windows NT 4.0, or Windows 2000

Recommended System Configuration
500 MHz or better processor
128 MB of RAM
32 bit color display adapter at 1024 x 768 resolution

Photoshop
*Pentium®-class processor
*Microsoft® Windows® 98, Windows Millennium, Windows 2000, or Windows NT® 4.0
*64 MB of available RAM
*125 MB of available hard-disk space
*Color monitor with 256-color (8-bit) or greater video card
*Monitor resolution of 800x600 or greater
*CD-ROM drive

lengkapnya ada di http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/systemreqs.html

http://www.jasc.com/psp7_more.asp?pf%5Fid=001

[Riovasky]

adobe photoshop udah sampe versi berapa ya..???
yang gue punya versi 5.0
yang masih bisa jalan di ram 16 MB...

[ActiveX]

Photoshop terbaru versi 6.0
Banyak fasilitas baru yang lebih canggih, tapi jadi agak berat dengan PC di bawah Pentium II.
Oya, plug-in Extensis PhotoTools 3 jadi nggak bisa dipasang di Photoshop 6 soalnya doi nggak membolehkan memasang menu tambahan di interface-nya.

[Elisha]

Ngomong2x katanya Adobe Photoshop 6.0 bisa untuk buat film animation yach ? Benar atau nggak nich ?

[Funky_Tunes]

Hmmm....maybe....gue aja sampe sekarang masih pake Animation Pro.....

[ActiveX]

Photoshop itu software image editing, bukan video editing. Kalo maksud Elisha film animation itu semacam film video ya jelas bukan "bagian" Photoshop, tapi bagian Adobe Premiere. Tapi sekedar bikin GIF animasi jelas Photoshop bisa, tapi kurang praktis dibandingkan software khusus yang memang dirancang buat bikin GIF animasi seperti Ulead GIF Animator misalnya.

[Elisha]

Iya gue kagak tau dech tentang Photoshop 6.0, apakah bisa buat anime atau nggak. Gue cuma dengar dari teman gue yang sekolah di Graphic Design dan gue baca di internet yaitu di home page-nya Photoshop bahwa Photoshop 6.0 di tambah tool-nya supaya bisa buat animation. Untuk memastikannya apakah itu benar maka gue mau beli Photoshop 6.0 dulu baru bicara. Anyway thank's yach.

[G24645]

Originally posted by Elisha
Iya gue kagak tau dech tentang Photoshop 6.0, apakah bisa buat anime atau nggak. Gue cuma dengar dari teman gue yang sekolah di Graphic Design dan gue baca di internet yaitu di home page-nya Photoshop bahwa Photoshop 6.0 di tambah tool-nya supaya bisa buat animation. Untuk memastikannya apakah itu benar maka gue mau beli Photoshop 6.0 dulu baru bicara. Anyway thank's yach.


Jangankan Photoshop 6.0, yg 5.5 ajah bisa utk animasi doang mah, tapi bukan Adobe Photoshop-nya melainkan Adobe Image Ready-nya..Mereka kan masih bersaudara...Terintegrasi dalam 1 biji cd bajakan..

[sarasvati]

Kalo engga cek aja di situs http://www.adobe.com Atau kalo mau coba tutorialnya ke http://www.computerarts.co.uk

Sebelum kita beli, bisa kita bahas juga lho apa-apanya yang terbaru. Cocok apa ngga ama skill kita? Atau mau coba tandingannya http://www.macromedia.com yang lebih mudah. Dan sebelumnya untuk PC Macintosh.

[ActiveX]

Iya bener, gue lupa ngomong, kalo soal bikin GIF animasi atau pengolahan gambar buat web, seperti tombol roll over, menyimpan file JPG sekecil mungkin, itu emang bagian ImageReady, yang dipaket jadi satu sewaktu kita install Photoshop 5.5 atau 6. Di versi 5.5 masih ada pilihan apakah ImageReady-nya mau di-install apa nggak (pilihan bisa dihilangkan), tapi di Photoshop 6 nggak, otomatis terpasang sekaligus. Tapi kalo bikin GIF animasi aja sih plugin Photoshop juga banyak, yang canggih misalnya Extensis PhotoAnimator (bagian dari paket Extensis PhotoTools).

[Elisha]

Photoshop 6.0 suka nge-hang katanya. Benar atau nggak sich ?

[Elisha]

Adobe Photoshop 6.0 (With ImageReady 3.0)
CNET Review
(8/28/00; updated 10/17/00)
By Susan Glinert

Graphic designers may argue about Mac vs. PC, but they're united in one respect: virtually all of them use Photoshop. Photoshop's abundance of exquisite bitmap manipulation tools (from brushes to color correction) make it the reigning monarch of image editing. From our look at version 6.0, it's clear that Photoshop has matured into a program that can handle both paper and Web output with amazing grace. Factor in the new Styles palette and text controls, and you've got a must-have upgrade.
Ossified Interface
Photoshop's interface has never been very customizable, and 6.0 is no exception. However, the interface is standard across all Adobe applications, so if you master one, you'll have a reasonable grasp of the rest of the family. Photoshop uses palettes--little tabbed dialog boxes that remain onscreen--for quick access to functions such as navigation, colors, layers, and actions (macros). But palettes consume a lot of screen space. Now with version 6.0, you can not only group and roll them up, but you can also dock them to the Palette Well of the improved context-sensitive toolbar (which displays different tools based on what you're doing). Click a palette in the Well, and it drops down like a menu. Click away from the palette, and it snaps back up into the Well.

Major Object and Text Enhancements
Photoshop's enhanced feature set is impressive. You can now draw objects and text that remain editable and that print at the resolution of the output device, producing crisp edges no matter how much you enlarge the image. The new custom Shapes palette makes it easy to generate standard geometric shapes, such as a pentagon or an ellipse, or to draw preset shapes (hearts, stars) in your document. The bad news: These shapes aren't traditional vector objects (as are Corel Photo-Paint's), which means there's no simple way to click and drag them around the screen. Rather, every time you create a shape (such as a rectangle), Photoshop stores it on a separate layer. Photoshop creates a clipping path (a cookie-cutter-like hole shaped like your original object) in the layer underneath. As a result, to move your object, you can't just click and drag it. Instead, you must click the corresponding layer and then use the Path Component Selection Tool to select and reposition the object--a nonintuitive process. Despite the clunky implementation, however, you can create simple graphics--absolutely beautiful Web buttons and navigation bars--with minimal fuss.

Version 6.0 also sports substantial text-handling improvements. Instead of entering text into a dialog box, you can now type text directly onto the page and change settings via the toolbar. You get lots of controls, too: leading (space between lines of text), tracking (space between letters), and kerning (space between letter pairs). You also can control the smoothness of text edges, and a neat warping tool lets you instantly shape your text into arcs, bulges, and fish eyes.

Style and Substance
With Photoshop's new Styles palette, you can finally drop preset special effects (such as gradients, drop shadows, and glows) onto any layer! In the past, you had to create an effect from scratch every time. The Styles palette also makes it easy to produce vibrant 3D objects, such as Web buttons. Just click and drag to add as many effects as you wish to a layer. The new Layer Style dialog box shows a thumbnail of the effects you've applied to the selected layer and lets you control opacity, angle, appearance, and other parameters for each effect. Once you've created a new Layer style, it's a snap to save it in the Styles palette so that you can use it over and over.
You'll also love Photoshop's new layer management tools, including one that lets you create groups of layers and apply settings, such as opacity, to the entire group at once--a big time-saver.

More for the Web
But although Photoshop has added a few features geared toward Web designers--including a Slice function that lets you cut images into easily downloadable pieces--the program still relies on ImageReady 3.0 (bundled with Photoshop) to generate the bulk of its Web graphics and animation, such as roll-overs. Check out Builder.com's ImageReady 3.0 review for more details.

Go With the Work Flow
Most production graphic designers work in collaborative settings, sharing files with clients until the final file is sent to a service bureau (for professional printing) or to a Web content administrator. Version 6.0 acknowledges the importance of file sharing and now lets you drop written and audio comments right into your document. Better still: the comments remain in place when you save the files in PDF format, so even colleagues without Photoshop can review your annotations.

Paper-based production designers will also love the streamlined color management controls. Adobe consolidates all the color settings in one dialog box so that you don't have to search through several different dialogs for them. Adobe also supplies presets for common output types such as coated paper or standard Web color. Finally, and best of all, the new Print Options dialog box offers a print preview. Too bad the preview is just a thumbnail instead of full-size, as it is in Corel Photo-Paint.

This short article only scratches the surface; suffice it to say, if you're a Photoshop user or you need a sophisticated image editor, make the jump to version 6.0. You won't be sorry

Improved Type Tool
The new Type Tool is a pretty neat gadget, although it includes the new feature--warped text--with the greatest potential for abuse. In the next few months, expect to see a ton of Web sites playing with twisted and warped text in their designs. The Liquify command is also a knockout addition; it lets users warp and distort an image and preview it interactively in real time. Of course, new robust features like these did cause the program's memory requirements to increase.

Working With ImageReady
Improved integration between Photoshop 6.0 and ImageReady 3.0 makes Web production tasks a lot easier. You can move a file between the two programs without stopping to save or worrying about unwanted alterations. Typically we found ourselves creating, optimizing, and slicing images within Photoshop, then quickly moving to ImageReady to create animation and rollover effects.

We also liked the consistent text handling between the two programs. The editable text in ImageReady can now be animated, even if it's been warped. The image mapping tools are definitely more intuitive, using vector-based shapes to define clickable hot spots. With the new polygon shape, you can create irregularly shaped hot spots within a complicated image map. You can also create hot spots that conform to the content of a layer. When you edit a layer, that area of the image map dynamically adjusts to the new content.

Overall, ImageReady is still a little confusing to use, and we suspect the increased integration between the two programs signals the future inclusion of most ImageReady tools within Photoshop.

We highly recommend that graphic designers who work on the Web upgrade to Photoshop 6.0, if only for the increased accessibility to ImageReady's animation tools. Although Adobe, like others in the industry, hasn't quite achieved a balance between adding robust features and maintaining a simple, intuitive interface, Photoshop 6.0 is an impressive new version.

[ActiveX]

Originally posted by Elisha
Photoshop 6.0 suka nge-hang katanya. Benar atau nggak sich ?

Hang mungkin karena PC/Mac yang jalaninnya kurang canggih, RAM-nya kurang dari 64 MB misalnya, dan untuk PC mungkin PC-nya di bawah pentium 2. Kalo hardware-nya "cukup" apalagi "lebih" pasti lancar dan cepat. Ya, program yang lain juga begitu.

[Elisha]

Photoshop jadi feature untuk ngetest kecepatan antara Power PC G4 vs Gigaherzt Pentium III. (Bisa baca di Macinfo edisi IV tahun 2000).

[Riovasky]

ActiveX...
gue mao nanya nih...
gue punya photoshop 5.0
tapi layer efectnya kurang memuaskan...
hasil 3D lightningnya kurang bagus...
ada nggak plugin utk menambah layer efect tsb...???

[Macaddict]

Originally posted by G24645
Jangankan Photoshop 6.0, yg 5.5 ajah bisa utk animasi doang mah, tapi bukan Adobe Photoshop-nya melainkan Adobe Image Ready-nya..Mereka kan masih bersaudara...Terintegrasi dalam 1 biji cd bajakan..

Umm.. sejak Photoshop 5.5, Adobe ImageReady itu emang jadi bagian dari Photoshop, jadi, integrasi bukan karena ada di dalem CD bajakan (bukan juga karena diadain voting sama United Nations :D). Tetep sebagai program tersendiri yang bisa di-launch dari Photoshop, tapi dimasukin ke CD-nya PS 5.5 soalnya kan fokus 5.5 ke web images, jadi butuh ImageReady untuk ngecilin size gambar.

[ActiveX]

Buat Riovasky.
Lighting (pencahayaan) atau Lightning (kilat) ?
Kalo maksudnya filter 3D Lighting standar yang ada di menu Filter/Render Photoshop emang standar banget. Sebaiknya kamu ganti Photoshop-nya ke versi 5.5 (jangan pake versi 6 dulu deh, banyak bedanya). Kalo masih mau pake versi 5 sebaiknya update ke 5.02 (ada updater-nya) untuk memperbaiki beberapa bug di versi 5.0. Soal plug-in dari pihak ketiga sebaiknya (kayaknya wajib) pasang Xenofex (versi 1.1) dari Alien Skin yang juga pembuat Eye Candy yang terkenal itu. Xenofex terdiri dari 16 filter termasuk Lightning (pembuat efek petir) yang gua suka. Kalo buat pembuatan efek-efek 3D (seperti efek gambar menempel di kotak, gambar menempel di gelas mengikuti bentuk gelas) silakan pasang Andromeda 3D atau Kai Power Tools (KPT) 6 yang salah satu filter-nya bernama KPT Projector yang bisa buat efek gambar seperti ubin misalnya.