English Please !

[Elster]

so sick of business
I need some very quiet place that I don't have to do anything everyday

Take a vacation to some small island, Indonesia got alot of those.

Tomorrow is holiday, I wonder...everybody had planned what they're going to do tomorrow?

I think I'll just came back to my house on Jakarta and relax there for awhile, my stresses had been pilling up out of control recently. I need somewhere nice to dump them.

And Nocturne is coming to my house thx to ecwx!!! This week is my happiest week on this year!!!

[jojox]

@ harnadi,
yeah i feel you dude. I did aim for a long-term employment here in the States after graduation.
Get a job, live well, be independent, and get laid often. ::ngakak2::
I knew where to apply, what sort of stuff I'd be doing and shit. All seemed to be well planned and thought of. But it just didnt really work out well.
Not quite sure about the film industry, but are you more into the line of acting or producing (i.e screenwriting,) ?
wonder if you'd like to take a role in cinema electronic gig if you are back in Indo .... :D

[harnadi]

noo.. i don't wanna get involved into that shitnetron industry. :D well, i think i need to go into that rubbish bin first if i want to have a bright career in the film industry. i'm more into the line of producing by the way.

[jojox]

aah...of course. Never liked sinetron myself, was just thinking if it does require excellent
skills to act in that type of setting. Certainly, an overseas degree would justify nonsense if you
decide to take a shitty role on it, wouldnt it? . ::ngakak2::
I have got a close friend who expressed the same interest as you do, in the movie industry.
She did graduate with a communication degree and wanted to extend her study in Film production.
Now, might you have some references for those types of college?

[Evangeline]

ne, what are you guys talkin' bout? ^^

[jojox]

errr.. nuthin.. just some silly sinetron shit and its delights. ::ngakak2::

arent you supposed to do your homework Eve'? :D

[darkslut]

I have got a close friend who expressed the same interest as you do, in the movie industry.
She did graduate with a communication degree and wanted to extend her study in Film production.
Now, might you have some references for those types of college?
you could ask her to check this site http://www.sae.edu/ or maybe this one www.fullsail.com/ ...

[jojox]

s w e e t.

thanks a bunch slut. :D ::hihi::
surely she'd appreciate that lil' piece of info ....

[darkslut]

he he he ... i was planning to go to one of those college ... before bali bombing the first ... damn those bomber ...

[Evangeline]

hey y'all hows yer day???

[fsaputra]

I wouldn't recommend trying to get a job in the US if at the end you are planning to be back here in Indonesia (especially Jakarta.) again.

You will be so used to being independent and comfortable because everything in the US is so self-providing, that adjusting the life back here would be like a living-hell... Unless if you have a high-paying job where money is not an issue.

The corruption and birocrachy here are the shit!

[jojox]

@ darkslut,
whoaa...what happened dude, how that affected your plans?

@ Evangeline,
same old! not a whole lot going on today. how's yer week-end? got some gigging going on?

@fsaputra,
that's exactly what I'd be dealing with in the next couple of weeks. So much for American dreams, Im flying back home, for good. :D

[darkslut]

@ darkslut,
whoaa...what happened dude, how that affected your plans?
i couldn't get any visa , man ... everytime i have the time to get it , the us embassy closed ... but if i don't have time to get the visa , the us embassy open ... besides , from what i heard , it's hard to get a student visa at that time ... i don't know , maybe america isn't ready for me ::ngakak2:: ...

[E121F]

i couldn't get any visa , man ... everytime i have the time to get it , the us embassy closed ... but if i don't have time to get the visa , the us embassy open ... besides , from what i heard , it's hard to get a student visa at that time ... i don't know , maybe america isn't ready for me ::ngakak2:: ...
embassy's work time is just fucking ridiculous.

OK, this is not US embassy I'm talking about here... It's Indonesian embassy here in downtown Vancouver. Everytime I have something to do there, I always skip my class. because my after/before the class start, it's either embassy still not open or embassy already closed. and during saturday / sunday when I free, of course, they open.

[fsaputra]

Best of luck to ya', jojox. Remember to lower....and I mean, lower your expectation on how things are done here in good ol' Indo. (Seriously, think looooooo.....oooow, or you'll be dissapointed.)

May I suggest Singapore instead?

[darkslut]

So much for American dreams, Im flying back home, for good. :D
don't forget to show me your music gear , sob ::hihi:: ...

[jojox]

@Fsaputra,
yeah...I feel fortunate though to have been able to visit home a few times for the last six years. I reckoned that I'd need to readjust again and that process aint easy, which is why i've been reading
news and watch "empat mata" on youtube, just to get a glare of the current issues and getting re-cultured. :D
@darkslut,
whoa, .... damn those bombers!. It seems true that post-9/11, many of prospective international students have had to seek other routes to higher education. Some left for Canada, AU or EU.
So, what do u do now Slut?
My gears aint much, an Ibanez AS73 and Line6 lil' pod. But whenever you're hitting Jogja, just holler and we'd be jammin in my crib. :D

[fsaputra]

... i don't know , maybe america isn't ready for me ::ngakak2:: ...

I admire such strong self-confidence. You go, darkslut!! ::hohoho:: ::hohoho::

::shinchandance:: ::shinchandance:: ::shinchandance::

[Evangeline]

@jojox: my weekend wasnt that bad... there was supose te be band pratice but t'was cancelled at the very last minutes... so, me and the gals were, like, hangin' around talkin bout nuttin important.

so how's everyone today??

[darkslut]

@darkslut,
So, what do u do now Slut?
right now , i'm doin' a little graphic designing as my primary job and doin' a little music producing as my side job ... you know , makin' jingles for tv commercial and stuff ...

I admire such strong self-confidence. You go, darkslut!! ::hohoho:: ::hohoho::

::shinchandance:: ::shinchandance:: ::shinchandance::
::ngakak2:: thanks for the support , buddy ::ngakak2::

so how's everyone today??
today i feel a little bored ... nuthin' new happened , had no plans , got nuthin' to do, just my regular day at work ::hihi:: ...

[9thmalice_vex]

Hoo boy, a lotta things I sure have missed in here.....

jojox: So you're comin' back to teh hip city? So I assume that you've finished doing studies in the Yankeeland? Whatever reason you're comin' back for good, do remember Tukul :P hehehe...

The only thing that makes shitnetrons shitnetrons is sometimes the stereotype charactes that seem more of a cliche with each passing episode, that's my opnion.

[redXI]

Hoo boy, a lotta things I sure have missed in here.....

jojox: So you're comin' back to teh hip city? So I assume that you've finished doing studies in the Yankeeland? Whatever reason you're comin' back for good, do remember Tukul :P hehehe...

The only thing that makes shitnetrons shitnetrons is sometimes the stereotype charactes that seem more of a cliche with each passing episode, that's my opnion.

I don't think anybody here has diverse opinion about it

[jojox]

@darkslut,
making jingles eh? nice2.. biz is good there? client comes and goes?

@9thmalice_vex,
yeah2.... be home soon. Done w/ school last december. been lookin for jobs, but it seems quite dry up here. So... I might get something better at home, or Singapore, as Fsaputra suggested.
definitely keep an eye for "empat mata" ::ngakak2::

[darkslut]

@darkslut,
making jingles eh? nice2.. biz is good there? client comes and goes?
yup , comes and goes ... what i really want is for them to come and never go ::ngakak2:: ... money , money , money ::hohoho:: ...

[Evangeline]

ahoy mate!!! how ye doin' aye???

[fsaputra]

...or Singapore, as Fsaputra suggested.

I would seriously recommend Singapore, for your own sanity. Have you applied for OPT yet? That'd allow you to stay for a year after graduation to look for jobs.

[jojox]

yes sir! got my OPT last December. After my ol man passed away, our family sort of gave me
two or three months to look for jobs. job hunting turned out dry and im running out of time. so..
at least my $180-OPT was well worth of try. :)
how's everyone weekend, btw?
mine was terrific. got a great weather. we had a little soccer tournament all day saturday. so exhausting and my body is so sore.[cape]

[LeLuna]

embassy's work time is just fucking ridiculous.

OK, this is not US embassy I'm talking about here... It's Indonesian embassy here in downtown Vancouver. Everytime I have something to do there, I always skip my class. because my after/before the class start, it's either embassy still not open or embassy already closed. and during saturday / sunday when I free, of course, they open.

Do they have the ugly rug in Vancouver too? ::hhh::

[LeLuna]

I would seriously recommend Singapore, for your own sanity. Have you applied for OPT yet? That'd allow you to stay for a year after graduation to look for jobs.

People are recommending Indonesia for workfields. Plant anything and it will grow eventually. Singapore is such a demanding place.

[9thmalice_vex]

It's always better to develop businesses in your own country anywa, no matter how f*ced up it is right now. ;D

[fsaputra]

I disagree... life is more than just making money, you know. maybe Indonesia is a great place to start your own business and make money, but the environment sucks big time! I don't want to get stressed out due to traffic jam, high crime, corrupton, etc.

[Morning-Mist]

I kinda disagree about life is just for making money, actually for me making money the first step to get what I want, just like travel around world.
I will need money to do that, so that's what my money for, but not all... I need to save it too for other busines =p

[jojox]

myself, would probably take any job there is; wherever. indeed, there's more to it than a fat check. but I've got my preference as well. And for the time being, Im looking into the job market at home.

[hugaBen]

guys..need some help here..for my friends
temen gue yg bikin skripsi disuruh mentranslasikan judul tugasnya dan dia gak tau apa2 ttg inggris. ini judul indonya:

pembatalan putusan arbitrase dalam penyelesaian sengketa perjanjian pemborongan kerja - studi putusan mahkamah agung RI

tolong jadiin inggris ya

thx abunch

[heihachiro]

mungkin kaya' gini:

the cancellation of arbitration decision in settlement dispute of work contract agreement. RI supreme court decision study

bener ngga?

[hugaBen]

thx..yg laen?:D

[eldhy]

eh, need an explanation about putting to be (is, are etc).
i'm a newbie in english..often confuse with the usage of that.
thx.

[aziezie]

mungkin kaya' gini:

the cancellation of arbitration decision in settlement dispute of work contract agreement. RI supreme court decision study

bener ngga?

a little correction
the cancellation of arbitration decision in settlement of dispute in working contract agreement. RI supreme court decision study

maybe ::unggg::

[merkava]

I want to ask, what the bahasa translation for "gasp"" tersengal/menghela nafas/terengah2? thx brothes

[jojox]

i thought it would mean something more like err.... *terkejut*? or menghela nafas yah?..... hmmm

[pandamon]

hi guyz nice to meet y'all.... btw i wanna ask, what is IMO mean? i always read other thread and there must be IMO ::unggg::

[browniemania]

I want to ask, what the bahasa translation for "gasp"" tersengal/menghela nafas/terengah2? thx brothes

I think it depends on the context?
E.G :
As she saw her opponent walked in the yard, Janet gasped =Ketika ia melihat lawannya berjalan di lapangan, napas Janet tercekat.
After rescuing the drowned little boy, Janet got out of the pool. She constantly gasped and shivered =Setelah menyelamatkan anak kecil yang tenggelam itu, Janet keluar dr kolam renang.Ia terus menerus menggigil dan terengah-engah.

(JMHO)

definition of "gasp" (according to Merriam Webster):
intransitive verb
1 : to catch the breath convulsively and audibly (as with shock)
2 : to breathe laboriously
transitive verb : to utter in a gasping manner


oh ya
@ pandamon :
IMO = in my opinion
IMHO = in my humble opinion

[merkava]

Konteks kalimatnya adalah : Ia gasp setelah sadar diberikan penafasan buatan. Apa yang paling baik ya buat kalimatnya?

[pandamon]

thank's man...... ::shinchandance::

[merkava]

pandamon: CMIIW=Correct me if I Wrong

[WhyNot]

hi guyz nice to meet y'all.... btw i wanna ask, what is IMO mean? i always read other thread and there must be IMO ::unggg::

IMO means "In My Opinion".
IMHO means "In My Humble Opinion".
CMIIW means "Correct Me If I'm Wrong".
AFAIK means "As Far As I Know".

[ulaniori]

Newbie nih.. ::oho::

Ga ngerti apa-apa jadinya..::nangis3::

Humm..

>> JMHO, EG.. itu artinya apa ya? :D

A!
Is there anyone who could translated this quote (?) below in English please -_-

>> Keseimbangan yang Berbatas

Thanks before..

[eldhy]

In My Humble Opinion?

[ulaniori]

In My Humble Opinion?

>> Maksud? ::binun::

[E121F]

"Sejujurnya"

[Riboplavin]

JMHO > Just My Humble Opinion => menurut gw??

EG => Example Gratia => salah satu contoh

[Riboplavin]

Is there anyone who could translated this quote (?) below in English please -_-

>> Keseimbangan yang Berbatas

Thanks before..

"Limited Equity" Or
"Limited Balance" ---

[ulaniori]

"Limited Equity" Or
"Limited Balance" ---

39.. !! [peace]

[merkava]

Nah, ini g mau nerjemahi ke Inggris nih ini kalimat, Sebentar2 saya melongok kle belakang. Kalimat apa yang pas buat melongok/menoleh ini ? turn around? Sometimes I turn out to see at at the back. Cocok ga ya?

[merkava]

Nah, ini g mau nerjemahi ke Inggris nih ini kalimat, Sebentar2 saya melongok kle belakang. Kalimat apa yang pas buat melongok/menoleh ini ? turn around? Sometimes I turn out to see at at the back. Cocok ga ya?

[Riboplavin]

If only your head:

peeping behind my back

take a back-peek

to pry

Whole body:

Turn around,,

[E121F]

once for a while, I turn around to see what's behind me

context dong

[browniemania]

BTW, I'm curious as to whether Merkava is doing school assignment or working on a translation job.::oops::

[Shadow Demon]

drop the for, and you're good to go..

"once a while" is more than enough

Shadow

[merkava]

I am working translations job from Bahasa to English. Thx for help

[' DUMBIEsams]

hi. im newbie here. got to say hi to all of you ^^

[Elster]

I need some help.

I'm making a story for the sake of my own fun, and I'm stuck on making a title for it. It's a dark themed "sort-of-magical" story that involve demons and angels and I want it to be named with a "cool" name that has a meaning close to "Between (two things)". I can't find a good and suitable name, can anyone help me spawn some?

Yes, it has to be in English. Why do you think I asked it here?

Oh, I'm open to suggestions. If somehow you people want it not close to "Between", you can tell me and I'll think about your suggestion.

[jojox]

between 2 things?..... hmmm.....::cabul::
that can be very2 interesting....::ngakak2::
if u could probly lay over the plot or some significant detail about the character, it might give us more clue to bundle that story in a catchy phrase ...;D

[Elster]

;D Don't misunderstand the story, it doesn't have anything to do with XXX. ;D It might have some fanserv and adult things but...

Anyway, it's an action story with modern day setting (today's car, today's clothes, don't ever expect any old hag riding a broom here). It involves demonic theme, but I think it might be different on what you might thought.

The main hero is a teenage (I wished I could've escaped the cliche...) high-schooler boy who got caught up in a battle between (now you know why I want "Between") demons and angel, and must fight his way to survival of his own and the entire humanity. (again, I wished I could've escaped the cliche, but the deeper part of the story itself, I must say, is quite...not unusual or unique...perhaps good)

I can't really reveal any significant detail about the story since I'm afraid it'll become a spoiler, if somehow I'm moved to post it on KG.

[Shadow Demon]

Somehow it reminds me of the new Megami Tensei series...

School Boy by day, justice-fighting Demon by night.

Shadow

[Riboplavin]

I need some help.

I'm making a story for the sake of my own fun, and I'm stuck on making a title for it. It's a dark themed "sort-of-magical" story that involve demons and angels and I want it to be named with a "cool" name that has a meaning close to "Between (two things)". I can't find a good and suitable name, can anyone help me spawn some?

Yes, it has to be in English. Why do you think I asked it here?

Oh, I'm open to suggestions. If somehow you people want it not close to "Between", you can tell me and I'll think about your suggestion.

In my humble opinion, many languages can improve the title's coolness more than English does... why don't you try Germany or France?? or even Latin (Not american latin just simple latin)?

FYI there's some game title that resemble "between two things" if the two things here are good and evil... "Beyond Good and Evil" can resemble that, taken from Xenosaga's title which in German become "Jenseits von Gut und Bose" addo information, this title coming from Friedrich Nietzsche... (A philosopher at 19th Century)

Simple cool, isn't it?::oops::

FN: Sorry for the bad grammar... i totally wrecked in grammar you know?::grrr:: ::shinchandance::

[jojox]

::ngakak2:: i cant think of anything else other than something in between two things... ;D
that's just so explicit language aint it?

anyw, so there comes the cliche, the teenage kid, so on and so forth.
hmm... how about" black and white socks " suppose the devil himself wears a pair of Nike socks. ::grin::

[Elster]

Somehow it reminds me of the new Megami Tensei series...

School Boy by day, justice-fighting Demon by night.

I am a...say...fanboy of Shin Megami Tensei games, and I was inspired to create this story because of that exact series. SMT beats all other RPGs, definitely.

Haven't bought Persona 3 (the one you're talking about) yet though ::nangis2::

In my humble opinion, many languages can improve the title's coolness more than English does... why don't you try Germany or France?? or even Latin (Not american latin just simple latin)?

I didn't have any idea when it comes to other language, that's one thing. The second, the thought of making it in non-English language didn't cross my mind at first. ::oops::

FYI there's some game title that resemble "between two things" if the two things here are good and evil... "Beyond Good and Evil" can resemble that, taken from Xenosaga's title which in German become "Jenseits von Gut und Bose" addo information, this title coming from Friedrich Nietzsche... (A philosopher at 19th Century)

Simple cool, isn't it?::oops::

It is...

I mean, dude, you gave me a good idea about it's title. Since you said "Beyond Good and Evil" has been used by Xenosaga, I think I'll use another name similar to it. But you know what? I LOVE the suggestion. :D

EDIT: Wait...Xenosaga only used it as a sub-title right? And it isn't on English right? Maybe I could still use it. But why did I have this feeling that I've heard that title before, no, not on Xenosaga...somewhere. Anyone knows? Or is it just my feeling?

FN: Sorry for the bad grammar... i totally wrecked in grammar you know?::grrr:: ::shinchandance::

Well me too, I'm not a native American after all. :D

By the way, Given Up for sig...nice!

anyw, so there comes the cliche, the teenage kid, so on and so forth.
hmm... how about" black and white socks " suppose the devil himself wears a pair of Nike socks. ::grin::

;D If I'm making a comedy, I sure could use the idea. ;D

Any other ideas? Still waiting... :)

[jojox]

dude,
that story u're writing got zero love scene?
im not quite sure if that would sell. (hollywood.com) ;D
at least there's gotta be a female counterpart...be it the devil or something... yeah, make it a sexy devil. :D

[ivana_ef]

Imagine me without you...
i would be lost and so confused
i wouldn't last a day....i'd be afraid without you there to see me through....

tul kan tu inggris ??? hohoho

[Riboplavin]

I didn't have any idea when it comes to other language, that's one thing. The second, the thought of making it in non-English language didn't cross my mind at first. ::oops::

It is...

I mean, dude, you gave me a good idea about it's title. Since you said "Beyond Good and Evil" has been used by Xenosaga, I think I'll use another name similar to it. But you know what? I LOVE the suggestion. :D

EDIT: Wait...Xenosaga only used it as a sub-title right? And it isn't on English right? Maybe I could still use it. But why did I have this feeling that I've heard that title before, no, not on Xenosaga...somewhere. Anyone knows? Or is it just my feeling?

Well me too, I'm not a native American after all. :D

By the way, Given Up for sig...nice!



Yeah, Xenosaga used it for the subtitle only and it also wasn't in English, it was in German Phrases

but please reconsider the phrase "beyond good and evil" happens to be famous, some novels use it (but with different words of course). just edit the phrase, maybe "beyond devil and angel" heh it doesn't turn out good, my fault :D

ehm I could suggest some words for the title like "side", or "mirror" which explain something (good) that reflect with something similiar with it (evil) ::oops::


and thank u so much for your appreciation! I found myself turnin red thank you.

I love LP, but sadly, only 3 songs from their newest album that I loved at most which are: Given up, Bleed it out, and what I've done :D what do you all think about their newest album?

[Elster]

dude,
that story u're writing got zero love scene?
im not quite sure if that would sell. (hollywood.com) ;D
at least there's gotta be a female counterpart...be it the devil or something... yeah, make it a sexy devil. :D

It got love scenes, it got female casts...but...it's not going to be pretty. It's...sad....although at some point it does have it's share on feel-good kind of thing. To tell you the truth I'm not very fond of feel-good story, that's why I'm not making one and that's why I love SMT (especially the third installment, it's awesome).

Yeah, this story is not for everyone, I think. ;D

I don't know about sexy girls, I mean, I'm making this story in writing format, not graphic. So I don't think girls with showy costumes are necessary. There're girls, but if you've played SMT: Nocturne, you'll know how they'll look like...civilized...hehehe. ::ngakak2::

but please reconsider the phrase "beyond good and evil" happens to be famous, some novels use it (but with different words of course). just edit the phrase, maybe "beyond devil and angel" heh it doesn't turn out good, my fault :D

Yes! I knew it's already been used somewhere! >_<

I've thought about it, and I've decided to name the story "Beyond" only. Yep, just that one word, nothing else.

ehm I could suggest some words for the title like "side", or "mirror" which explain something (good) that reflect with something similiar with it (evil) ::oops::

Mirror huh...I think you just gave me another idea. I'm keeping that in mind, but I'll stick with "Beyond" for now.

...to tell you the truth...saying that the story is between good and evil is...kind of misleading. There's no good and evil here...and...I've said enough. ;D

and thank u so much for your appreciation! I found myself turnin red thank you.

No man, thank you. :)

I love LP, but sadly, only 3 songs from their newest album that I loved at most which are: Given up, Bleed it out, and what I've done :D what do you all think about their newest album?

Contrary to you, I actually only dislike three songs on the album. ::ngakak2::

About their newest album, I had to say that it strays far from LP's real self. But it no longer matter to me (yes, it DOES matter to me the first time) since I've accepted it. The songs are great, as expected from LP, has weakness, but great overall.

What about "Leave Out All The Rest"? I think it's the best song on the whole album.

[Riboplavin]

Contrary to you, I actually only dislike three songs on the album. ::ngakak2::

About their newest album, I had to say that it strays far from LP's real self. But it no longer matter to me (yes, it DOES matter to me the first time) since I've accepted it. The songs are great, as expected from LP, has weakness, but great overall.

What about "Leave Out All The Rest"? I think it's the best song on the whole album.

hahaha... so ironic eh... maybe I found myself interested in EMO generation,,, and I found LP was being like EMO band in this album... but yeah you're so dam right... I have to agree that they stray too far from their real self...::unggg:: First when I heard the album,,, I ask myself... where's Shinoda voice??? I couldn't hear him singing ::hohoho:: ::grrr::

so ironic hehe... My friend dislike this album and screamed to me "Why LP had to be come like My Chemical Romance???" hahaha... but me myself do not mind it to much... I like MCR too::hohoho:: ::hohoho::

ok leave out all the rest is amusing too... I liked it too... before i rarely heard it so I have'nt get accustomed to it... but now, I think I like it too::oops::

[ReYzTenSSeN]

'cause the job opening is very limited, while the supply of wannabe workers out-grow the openings.

the key is to find something you like doing..

i prefer that its somethin' you worth doin' then you like doin'
ahahaha
;D

errr i love it when i heard someone speak with british accent. so sexzeihhh... ahak2

[Evangeline]

Imagine me without you...
i would be lost and so confused
i wouldn't last a day....i'd be afraid without you there to see me through....


He??? whom are you talking with??? ::grrr::

[ReYzTenSSeN]

i should have let you know that i would do anything for you~
by : mr.big
;D

[Ozma]

Kalo the didepan nama pake hurup besar apa hurup kecil ?

Misal : the Corleone apa The Corleone ?

::shinchandance::

[E121F]

The Corleone

[jojox]

Yo!E121F...say, u're still there upnorth?
i was thinking about going to UBC for my master. Is it any good?

[E121F]

I don't know lol

I think UBC/ SFU is the same quality-wise. The only difference is that there are some faculties only available on UBC, but not SFU

[jojox]

i c.
dang it, wish they got an opening for january admission. ::grrr::

[a j i j o t a k]

errr i love it when i heard someone speak with british accent. so sexzeihhh... ahak2

damn right!::itrocks::
but you know what? i've studying this accent for almost 4 years. And it's like i have to study it forever..;D

[Azhes]

damn right!::itrocks::
but you know what? i've studying this accent for almost 4 years. And it's like i have to study it forever..;Dwhoa, how dou you learn it anyway?(from tv maybe?) how about slavia accent?

[a j i j o t a k]

movie, TBI, and from conversation with my english friend.
and all that i learn from her is this. that englishman always use a phrase to end the sentence. "bollock" :D

[solitary_sh3ll]

Err...excuse me, I'm still newbie here. I just want to know what kind of accent all of you prefer to use when you're speaking? And why is that? Me? I prefer American English accent, sometimes a lil' bit slang too, yo :D

[don_juan79]

Err...excuse me, I'm still newbie here. I just want to know what kind of accent all of you prefer to use when you're speaking? And why is that? Me? I prefer American English accent, sometimes a lil' bit slang too, yo :D

in my opinion, American English is the kind of English we had studied in school years which has several differences with British English in both synonyms, and spelling

[solitary_sh3ll]

Umm... My former teacher at Junior High said that the English lesson that given to the students in Indonesia is based on British English. My former teacher at High school also said similar thing, and he also practice speaking with British accent, also using TOEFL lesson tapes when we're studying. AFAIK, TOEFL is based from British English, right? CMIIW :)

[don_juan79]

what I said before based on my experience
TOEFL is based from British English ?
that's true
but here we talk about accent
"I just want to know what kind of accent all of you prefer to use when you're speak"
according to English textbook I've read, British accent is more difficult to learn for non-English speakers, that's why I prefer American English

[jojox]

i thought TOEFL was based upon North-american english thing....as compared to IELTS or whatever is that of UK. aint it?

i myself wouldnt pride in speaking brits, neither my yankee twang, Im much concerned to the
elementary level of two way communication; that is if I say somethin, they can understand.
to me, that's good enough. ::ngakak2::

[solitary_sh3ll]

@don_juan79:
Pardon me, about TOEFL thing, it's just a curiosity of mine :) Anyway, if Indonesian teachers' accent or their education is based on British English, then why us as their (former) students mostly speaks in American English? Funny isn't it? It means Indonesia's education system is not successful. :D

@jojox:
I couldn't agree more :) Sometimes I think about English teaching in our country, I think it's too focused on the theories (tenses, grammar, etc), while the practice and implementation are abandoned... Those are things that made our people so slow in learning English :( Well, that's what I thought...How about you? :)

[a j i j o t a k]

i myself wouldnt pride in speaking brits, neither my yankee twang, Im much concerned to the
elementary level of two way communication; that is if I say somethin, they can understand.
to me, that's good enough. ::ngakak2::

and for me, body language helps me sometimes. ;D

well, actually, i kinda like the way French people speak in english. it's so funny to hear their accent.
anyone knows what type do they speak? :P

[jojox]

yeah, les Francaise speak english rather funny. i think it's pretty cute but sometimes can be quite annoying.

errr...about the english education system here, I'd say it might be a good idea to start standarizing the level of pronunciation particularly for english teaching instructors. Many universities in the US and Canada, have required anyone whose english is not their primary
language, to pass some sort of speaking TEST (in addition to TOEFL, IELTS, Cambridge etc..).
I cant really recall the name of the standarized test. But they do enforce that in almost every
university. I'd say, we can do the same thing here.

[solitary_sh3ll]

Well, that's quite interesting thing you said there... I never know about it. Anyway, does accent enforcing act like that is against speaking ethic? I mean, if the foreign people studying abroad in Canada or US and they have to take the speaking test, is it a little bit bothersome or discriminative? It sure though to learn to speak with accent from another country, moreover if the person is not used to it...

[E121F]

That's one each own's ability
(a lot) of my Indonesian friend still have Indonesian accent / Singlish accent regardless we spent the same amount of time studying here, in Canada

[Yuki]

excuse me.... ;D

I wanna ask.....what is the meaning of official bootleg in indonesian?

thanx :)

[E121F]

It means paradox, Indonesian only

[solitary_sh3ll]

Official Bootleg? You mean like Dream Theater's official bootleg or something like that? Well, this is information about bootleg from wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootleg_recording . For the meaning of official, you should already know, right? :) I hope that can be any of help to you

[a j i j o t a k]

yeah, agree with solitary_sh3ll...it'll be bothersome (especially for me ;D) for those who dont speak english as their primary language..will take years, i think. for example, american chinese (some).
they've been living for years, but still have that funny accent, dont they? :D

[jojox]

yupe, it took me quite some time as well to actually pick up the rhytm.
I understand the issue of having non-native english speakers to be taught "proper" english pronunciation could mean a bit discriminative. Yet, we need to understand that the purpose
of those aforementioned tests were to aid us in speech delivery. Though getting rid of the
accents might help (and some literally do that), I'd say once we could deliver our speech
such that native-speakers could perceive well, that'd mean the ESL-based tests are successful.

For indonesians, I dont think we could escape from the fact that we speak more than
couple languages, not to mention the dialects. What makes us so unique is that we're so diverse. TO me, it still seems ridiculous to get rid of our original accents. Why? Because
that's one of our artifacts of self-identity. I, myself, have been overseas for some years, picking up many accents along the way, but I still have a distinguished and very thick javanese accent. Yes, people, im still "medhok". ::grrr:: but I can live with it. it saved my ass when I dealt with a cop trying to bug me down for not having STNK. ::ngakak2::

[Yuki]

@ E121F and solitary_sh3ll

thanx for the explanation :)

I asked for a such question because last night I'm downloading file "bleach official bootleg" ;D

[E121F]

yupe, it took me quite some time as well to actually pick up the rhytm.
I understand the issue of having non-native english speakers to be taught "proper" english pronunciation could mean a bit discriminative. Yet, we need to understand that the purpose
of those aforementioned tests were to aid us in speech delivery. Though getting rid of the
accents might help (and some literally do that), I'd say once we could deliver our speech
such that native-speakers could perceive well, that'd mean the ESL-based tests are successful.

For indonesians, I dont think we could escape from the fact that we speak more than
couple languages, not to mention the dialects. What makes us so unique is that we're so diverse. TO me, it still seems ridiculous to get rid of our original accents. Why? Because
that's one of our artifacts of self-identity. I, myself, have been overseas for some years, picking up many accents along the way, but I still have a distinguished and very thick javanese accent. Yes, people, im still "medhok". ::grrr:: but I can live with it. it saved my ass when I dealt with a cop trying to bug me down for not having STNK. ::ngakak2::
My friend thought I was speaking in Tagalog when I was speaking in Indonesian lol

But really, I have quite a hard time telling whether someone is speaking tagalog or indonesian (If I didn't hear it clearly what are they talking about). Usually I can first guess everything in 1 shot. But not tagalog/indonesian

[solitary_sh3ll]

@Yuki:
You're welcome, glad to help :)

@jojox:
Yes, it's quite an issue for non-native like us, however it seems that this issue is not a big deal for several people. Why I'd say that? It's because the learning method in Indonesia is still like this, too theoretical... :( When will Indonesian realized the most important thing to learn English is how to speak? Sigh... Anyway, you're still 'medhok'? Hehe, don't worry it is quite a hard thing, but I'm sure you will doing great. You have more overseas experience, so be more confident :)

By the way, what is actually this thread made for? Learn to discussing things in English or to discuss many things related to English language? Because I'm still new here and my reason to join this thread is to improve my English skill :)

[Tukang Kebon]

i thought TOEFL was based upon North-american english thing....as compared to IELTS or whatever is that of UK. aint it?

Which is correct.
Most university in UK and Europe accepts IELTS, while Australia and US usually prefered TOEFL.

i myself wouldnt pride in speaking brits, neither my yankee twang, Im much concerned to the
elementary level of two way communication; that is if I say somethin, they can understand.
to me, that's good enough. ::ngakak2::
I lived in UK for about a year, each region have different accent. The North East folks,(where I lived) I think was the most difficult, because it resembles Scottish accent. While further down the South is much easier to understand, although I still have difficulty with people from Liverpool. They commented me though that I speak with American accent. I said that's because I learned English from TV ::ngakak2::

[a j i j o t a k]

@solitary : maybe just for chitchat with english? dunno...;D

[wintersun]

Which is correct.
Most university in UK and Europe accepts IELTS, while Australia and US usually prefered TOEFL.

Nope... Australia prefers IELTS. I can say this bcoz at Australia Center we only open IELTS prep. class not TOEFL one and all students wanting 2 continue their study in Australia must 'pass' the IELTS test.

[jojox]

while we're at it.
has anyone taken the new TOEFL, so-called iBT toefl or whatever?
wonder if things get easier to get em done. %hmm

[a j i j o t a k]

i'll take the exam next month. i heard that it's much more complicated than the one before? is it correct? yes, it's called IBT or Internet based test. CMIIW. :D

[mang jami]

while we're at it.
has anyone taken the new TOEFL, so-called iBT toefl or whatever?
wonder if things get easier to get em done. %hmm


i'll take the exam next month. i heard that it's much more complicated than the one before? is it correct? yes, it's called IBT or Internet based test. CMIIW.


IBT in Indonesia??? i doubt it ... IBT is currently only available in particular countries ... it requires fast internet connection ...

so far, only CBT (Computer Based Test) is available in Indonesia ... my wife took CBT a year ago ... and now she's in The Netherlands ...

while today, September 4th 2007, is our 3rd WEDDING ANNIVERSARY ... and i miss her ... ::nangis::::nangis::::nangis::

[jojox]

well, happy anniversary mang Jami. Did you get something for her?

suppose im gonna take iBT toefl, where would that test be? warnet? ::ngakak2::

[browniemania]

well, happy anniversary mang Jami. Did you get something for her?

suppose im gonna take iBT toefl, where would that test be? warnet? ::ngakak2::

actually I'm quite interested in taking the test.

How much does it cost this IBT Toefl? or the CBT? What kind of establishment or english course that I have to contact?

[Tukang Kebon]

while today, September 4th 2007, is our 3rd WEDDING ANNIVERSARY ... and i miss her ... ::nangis::::nangis::::nangis::

whoaaa.. three years already???

Congrats :D

[mang jami]

actually I'm quite interested in taking the test.

How much does it cost this IBT Toefl? or the CBT? What kind of establishment or english course that I have to contact?

it'll cost you at about $130 ... the official TOEFL institution is in kuningan if i'm not mistaken ... i forget the name ... please do googling ...

FYI, several overseas universities require a 4.0 - 4.5 for writing test ... at least 4.0 as the lowest standard ...

[mang jami]

whoaaa.. three years already???

Congrats :D

thx fid ... how's life in jkt?

regularly join we night?

[a j i j o t a k]

IBT in Indonesia??? i doubt it ... IBT is currently only available in particular countries ... it requires fast internet connection ...


well, i'm taking the prep now at EF banda. maybe it's only the prep, dunno. hahha.::grrr::

[9thmalice_vex]

Ok, I've been awhile for too long, and I'm starting to prepare for uni.
So I must ask, to all of you ex-freshmens.
I'm currently in a national+ school joining the IB program. English is of course the first language in all teaching except in BI classes.
So then, do I need TOEFL or IELTS in order to get accepted to universities in Aussie or UK or USA?

Another question, has anybody here taken SAT?

Much obliged to anybody who's willing to help this unexperienced retard.

[jojox]

US universities would require TOEFL while UK requires ielts and so oz. eitherway, i think it's quite safe to take toefl. it might be inexpensive as well.
so, id go for iBT toefl.

[etoh]

the official TOEFL institution which is in kuningan name IIEF at menara Imperium

but i forgot the floor. you can call 021- 8317330

i used to test there (ITP TOEFL) but paper based one.

any suggestion to increased toefl result ? my result still under 550 :( (but it was 2 years ago)
wanna taking some toefl course :)

[browniemania]

the official TOEFL institution which is in kuningan name IIEF at menara Imperium

but i forgot the floor. you can call 021- 8317330

i used to test there (ITP TOEFL) but paper based one.

any suggestion to increased toefl result ? my result still under 550 :( (but it was 2 years ago)
wanna taking some toefl course :)


ohh that one.
According to my friend, this is the only institution (at least in Jakarta) whose TOEFL/CBT/IBT certificate is acknowledged by overseas universities when you apply in them (CMIIW).

For me 130 USD fee for taking the test is quite expensive, since I only want to measure my English competency and not for enrolling in University to continue my study.

I think I'll look for cheaper prediction tests in other places::hihi::

[9thmalice_vex]

whoa....more than a hundred bucks....but I think it'll be worthwhile. But I'm still unsure if I really need it, I'll have to go see my career counselor....

[a j i j o t a k]

yeah..all i wanna do now is just study harder and harder, so when i take the exam, my toefl will be as good as hell. ::grr::

[darkslut]

is there any online toefl course ? ...

[jazzoholic]

guys, wanna ask something..

what is the english correct word for 'berdaulat'?
for ex. : 'My boss berdaulat atas my job'.
'berdaulat' here is not a noun, but verb.
i dont think the word is 'authorize'..

'berdaulat' has meaning like 'control', but the word is not 'control', right?

thanks for your help :)

[E121F]

I'm not even sure what 'berdaulat' means lol

[ulaniori]

guys, wanna ask something..

what is the english correct word for 'berdaulat'?
for ex. : 'My boss berdaulat atas my job'.
'berdaulat' here is not a noun, but verb.
i dont think the word is 'authorize'..

'berdaulat' has meaning like 'control', but the word is not 'control', right?

thanks for your help :)

......... Perhaps..
>> My boss taking [in] hand over my job..

:D
................

[N3M3S1S]

Perhaps...
My boss is the person in charge over my job.

[jojox]

that could be it.

or " supervise" ?

[xnuckingfutsx]

guys, wanna ask something..

what is the english correct word for 'berdaulat'?
for ex. : 'My boss berdaulat atas my job'.
'berdaulat' here is not a noun, but verb.
i dont think the word is 'authorize'..

'berdaulat' has meaning like 'control', but the word is not 'control', right?

thanks for your help :)
hmm, I find in the dictionary that daulat means sovereign in English, but I think it'd be awkward/incorrect if you put it into the sentence, but I do think that what n3m3sis said in his/her post is the correct one :)

My boss is the person who's in charge over my job.

[heihachiro]

perhaps the word "berdaulat atas" here has same meaning with "berkuasa"?

[0600661160]

or maybe sovereign???

[Kebod]

I think Authorize is better than Sovereign...

[E121F]

Perhaps...
My boss is the person in charge over my job.
The person in charge means the person who took the responsibility.
So in this case it sounds more like your boss is gonna get the blame if you're doing something wrong (which is not your fault)

[jazzoholic]

perhaps the word "berdaulat atas" here has same meaning with "berkuasa"?
kind of...

aahhhh, that's the word i actually need : sovereign.. ::itrocks::
actually i didnt want to put the word 'sovereign' in 'My boss berdaulat atas my job'. i just confused to use 'berdaulat' in a sentence ;D
btw, what's the correct verb of sovereign?

thanks :)

[9thmalice_vex]

how about "my boss is responsible for my job" ...
but come to think of it ,berdaulat IS sovereign.....

but then, sovereign is an adjective and not a noun....
so you would say that "my boss has a sovereign authority over my job."

How's that? :D

[jazzoholic]

ok, i found good sentence using the exact meaning of 'berdaulat : sovereign'

Engkaulah Tuhan
Berdaulat atas hidupku

becomes:

You are God
...............

what are best words for ............? ;D

[9thmalice_vex]

You are Lord
The Sovereign Ruler of my life......

:D

[B 0 YZ]

Hello,i'm dont speak english beatifull,can you help me?plizz give me a recomended a good tempat lez,sori klo masih salah.

[jojox]

well, if you want to improve your "speaking", i'd suggest take the conversation class.
dont hesitate. be active. ask many questions as possible. practice, practice and practice. after all, we learn by doing not just reading books. :D

[0600661160]

kind of...

aahhhh, that's the word i actually need : sovereign.. ::itrocks::
actually i didnt want to put the word 'sovereign' in 'My boss berdaulat atas my job'. i just confused to use 'berdaulat' in a sentence ;D
btw, what's the correct verb of sovereign?

thanks :)
Hm....
how about in this saturday you play soccer at planet futsal?

for your thanks for my answer?

[jazzoholic]

sorry pal, i have urgent matter as i told you before.. next time would be very fine, but i'm so sorry not for this week.. hope you understand :)
the goals will not be scored just from my feet right? ;D ::kabur2::

why do i speak so damn sweet to you in this thread? ;D

[0600661160]

sorry pal, i have urgent matter as i told you before.. next time would be very fine, but i'm so sorry not for this week.. hope you understand :)
the goals will not be scored just from my feet right? ;D ::kabur2::

why do i speak so damn sweet to you in this thread? ;D
damn...
marketing people..
your answer is soo soo damn sweet..

[xnuckingfutsx]

kind of...

aahhhh, that's the word i actually need : sovereign.. ::itrocks::
actually i didnt want to put the word 'sovereign' in 'My boss berdaulat atas my job'. i just confused to use 'berdaulat' in a sentence ;D
btw, what's the correct verb of sovereign?

thanks :)

sovereignty???

I dunno :P

[0600661160]

sovereignty???

I dunno :P
sovereignty what is that?

[xnuckingfutsx]

sovereignty:

# government free from external control
# reign: royal authority; the dominion of a monarch
# the authority of a state to govern another state

it seems that it's a noun and not a verb, sorry, my bad ;D

[jazzoholic]

ok thanks..

now the problem is, how can i use the word 'sovereign' in this sentence?
'He is 'berdaulat atas' my life'

[0600661160]

BTW i would ask something...
where are you people know when a word is a noun or a verb???

[jazzoholic]

BTW i would ask something...
where are you people know when a word is a noun or a verb???
where am i? i'm at the office right now ;D

[N3M3S1S]

I know approximately what sovereign means, on the other hand I don't know exactly what 'daulat' means.
Only saw them in Pancasila or UUD during elementary school class I think, and never questioned the meaning ;D

[xnuckingfutsx]

ok thanks..

now the problem is, how can i use the word 'sovereign' in this sentence?
'He is 'berdaulat atas' my life'

do you have to use the word sovereign on that sentence?

And it'd be a lot easier if you just give us the sentence fully in Bahasa rather than in part like that ;)

@inem: you could look it up in the dictionary bro ;)

[0600661160]

hahahaah...
little bit lazy right now..

so i ask you man...
hohohoo

[lightningSEEDS]

If you don't want to see in the dictionary, look at the sentence of which the word is used.

If the word is not in a sentence, and you don't familiar with the word, the only solution is to see on the dictionary

[jazzoholic]

do you have to use the word sovereign on that sentence?

And it'd be a lot easier if you just give us the sentence fully in Bahasa rather than in part like that ;)

@inem: you could look it up in the dictionary bro ;)
it would be 'Dia berdaulat atas hidupku.'

[jojox]

i'd say " He reigns over me "

[0600661160]

is reigns same meaning of berkuasa??

the bahasa is sooo complicated...
and berbelit2...

[jazzoholic]

i'd say " He reigns over me "
yes, i did have the same thinking for the first time.. but i assume 'reigns' has the identical meaning like 'rules'.. but 'berdaulat' is like having authorize control of something..

that why i still look for best word.. but i think i can't push the word 'sovereign' in my sentences..

thanks..

[mang jami]

what we need now is a verb

sovereign is a noun and an adjective ...
reign is a verb ... actually reign is a intransitive verb ...

so we know which one's right.



he reigns over me

[jazzoholic]

yes, case solved.. thanks all :)

[jojox]

jojox rulez! :D

[0600661160]

jojox rulez! :D
what are you ruling jox?

[indonesian jones]

Jox = In bahasa means Kursi di mobil/motor :P

[0600661160]

Jox = In bahasa means Kursi di mobil/motor :P
jones don't flame in here..

BTW where's the others here??
are you all celebrating the ied fitr?

[jazzoholic]

jones don't flame in here..
doesnt not dont ;D

[mealicious]

I don't think he makes a sentence of that?
He told 'Jones' not to spams in here..
I guess..

[jazzoholic]

i mean inem should use the word 'doesnt' not 'dont' for singular person ;D

[mealicious]

I thought, the words Inem about to said was like this :
'Jones, please don't flame in here'

instead, he used 'jones don't flame in here'

[jojox]

yupe, that's whate i thought too.
btw fellas, happy eid mubarak, eh?!

[0600661160]

I don't think he makes a sentence of that?
He told 'Jones' not to spams in here..
I guess..
hohoh...
yes you are right baby..

[mealicious]

Hi Inem, I'm not your baby ::bwekk::
So, where is everybody?

[0600661160]

Hi Inem, I'm not your baby ::bwekk::
So, where is everybody?
hohoh...
im right here in front of computer!!

[Evangeline]

I don't think he makes a sentence of that?
He told 'Jones' not to spams in here..
I guess..

it's kinda coming across my mind but... the word "spam" is it countable or uncountable? Cuz, normally people would say "not to spam here" instead of "not to spams here" so... anyone?

[N3M3S1S]

I think it's uncountable, therefore we never use 's' at the end.

[mealicious]

yeah, but I guess I've made my point.;p

[Realta Nua]

So, where is everybody?

I think you mean our actual location right(which is where our computer is located)?
At my home in Sunter, North Jakarta, if that's what you asked..

Btw, nice to meet you all, i am new in this thread ::unggg::

[E121F]

Are you really 16?

[heihachiro]

yeah, but I guess I've made my point.;p

yeah, I got your point there :D

how to know KG user's real age? ::unggg::

[N3M3S1S]

There's no way but to trust what the user put in their profile... :D

[9thmalice_vex]

well, for me I post my real age, so it's just a matter of blind trust for the rest of KG users, like N3M3S1S said ;D

[xnuckingfutsx]

that's true, it's a matter of blind trust, but I guess in this forum, age is not that important. ;)

[mealicious]

unless, if you try to find a gf or bf here, then age should be important.
You wouldn't want to end up with 50 years old gf or bf would you??? ::ngakak2::


but hey, not for me I've found the 'one' already;p

[0600661160]

unless, if you try to find a gf or bf here, then age should be important.
You wouldn't want to end up with 50 years old gf or bf would you??? ::ngakak2::


but hey, not for me I've found the 'one' already;p

if you want to find a bf and gf...
so you must involved with KG's activation like gathering...
the "pertanyaan" forum like to gath...
and the warbol is also like to gath...

[xnuckingfutsx]

unless, if you try to find a gf or bf here, then age should be important.
You wouldn't want to end up with 50 years old gf or bf would you??? ::ngakak2::


but hey, not for me I've found the 'one' already;p
::ngakak2::

that's why we have to check and recheck before we ended up with someone ;D

[mealicious]

What's 0600661160 stands for?? your phone number?? i don't think so.....hmm what is it?

[0600661160]

What's 0600661160 stands for?? your phone number?? i don't think so.....hmm what is it?
nope it stands for my student id when i'm in college

[jojox]

so that's how your barcode reads eh?
::hihi::

[Morning-Mist]

did you use that number as password for your email or forum?!

[mealicious]

i was hoping he said that it stand for his bank account number hahahah then I'll tr to ask for his PIN ;p

[0600661160]

did you use that number as password for your email or forum?!
hohoh...
hm..
nope, only username in other forum..
if you find a nick same with mine that is me...

[N3M3S1S]

That was such a cool number for your student ID... :D
Then how about your avatar? Your best friend in college?

[0600661160]

That was such a cool number for your student ID... :D
Then how about your avatar? Your best friend in college?
hohoh...
thx...
its me dude...

my avatar since avatar day...
i haven't change since that day...

[jojox]

aye,

i needo sum new avatar too.....

[Nishizono]

hi there, can do me a favor plz?
i wanna ask ur opinion what title i should choose for my english presentation
should be interesting, but also in good grammar :D

i'll talk about 'nuclear bomb', so what's the best fit?
'uncovering nuclear bomb'
'unmasking nuclear bomb'
'things u dont know about nuclear bomb' ;D
else....?

thanx in adv ::maap::

[9thmalice_vex]

well, first of all, we're gonna have to know what do you plan on presenting about the nuclear bomb. If you're gonna tell 'em about it in general, then something like [Nuclear Bombs: Science Masterpiece or Slaughtering Master?] would be pretty decent.

[N3M3S1S]

Maybe you can make the presentation first, therefore you would know more about nuclear bomb and what you are going to say.
Sometimes it's easier that way.
Think of something interesting like a newspaper headline.

[jojox]

yikes, nukes....again?

[0600661160]

what happen with the nukes problem??

[N3M3S1S]

Playing the Metal Gear Solid games would also help with the nuclear bomb material... :D

[jojox]

whoaa.i never knew Snakes got nukes.
used to love playing it when my roommate got his PS2 ...ah...good ol times.

aye, i think the issue of nukes intended for military arsenals was and still is being overrated.
and in what sort of theme do you, Nishizono, wish to present nukes?

[N3M3S1S]

Yeah, MGS series always have the nuclear history lesson in it, complete with the video footage... :D

[0600661160]

hello everybody...
still have the nukes problem?
how about the nizhizono is he/she solve his/her problem yet?

[E121F]

@ work....
no mood at all doing VB...

[Morning-Mist]

can someone help me to find a good univ in Seattle, US ?!

[0600661160]

@ work....
no mood at all doing VB...
you're a coder??

[jojox]

%hmm...
hmmm....seattle might be a nice place to go ...

[Morning-Mist]

yes a nice place indeed, but i prefer Europe better if it isn't for their language that i don't understand, i've been to france and they can't speak english... bah!!

[N3M3S1S]

French would not want to speak English even though they understand... they are really proud of their language... ;p
If you go to England you can speak English... :D

[0600661160]

yes a nice place indeed, but i prefer Europe better if it isn't for their language that i don't understand, i've been to france and they can't speak english... bah!!
yes because the french is sooo proud with their language..
just like japan..

[Morning-Mist]

Not only the French i could say, some people in Germany are like that too..
I sometimes hate it >.<

[Tlang]

Question: when you say in words likes in cheque, which one is right: dollar or dollars; rupiah or rupiahs?

I remember long-long time ago my teacher taught me use dollars and rupiahs. But now in office they use dollar and rupiah.

[jojox]

Informally, i'd say dollar. (with no hissing 'S" at the end). will do it properly if I do it in writing.


yeah,..speaking of studying in France...kinda got interested in it. in fact, im still taking some french lessons. So much for edufrance, thought they would gimme a chance for at least, a scholarship interview. if she didnt require thousands of Euro for tuition fees, I'd probably have
my application sent in. What do you wish to go to univ for, Morning_mist? undergrad or graduate school?

[N3M3S1S]

yes because the french is sooo proud with their language..
just like japan..
Japan is another story actually.
It's not because they're proud of their language, but because it's very difficult for them to learn English.

[Morning-Mist]

I agree with N3M3S1S, it's also kinda hard for the chinese to learn English, though many HK people can speak english well right now..

For japanese, I can understand why they can't speak english well

[E121F]

you're a coder??
a programmer

[N3M3S1S]

I think Japan is too secluded from the "English" world.
All of the English words are translated into the Japanese katakana, and their Hollywood movies or TV programs are dubbed in Japanese.

Hongkong is much better since they use English more often.

[Morning-Mist]

But i hate some people in HK, usually the old people..
When i speak in chinese, they don't understand. Then i speak english, they don't understand too

they only know cantonish....

[N3M3S1S]

Yeah somehow they don't want to learn Mandarin.
Usually they understand English though, but they can't speak it so they replied in Cantonese.
Hand language is the key... perhaps :D

[Nishizono]

hoho thanx all for sugggestions
sorry for replying so long though, trapped by troublesome tasks n stufff ::hihi::

well, first of all, we're gonna have to know what do you plan on presenting about the nuclear bomb. If you're gonna tell 'em about it in general, then something like [Nuclear Bombs: Science Masterpiece or Slaughtering Master?] would be pretty decent.

sounds cool ;D hope my presentation will be as good
but I thought the title should be related to the conclusion, right? n I dont think I'll know what to say when the audience ask me to decide it is masterpiece or slaughtering master ::grrr::


how about the nizhizono is he/she solve his/her problem yet?
it seems that I haven't ;D but the H-day is tomorrow anyway.......


Japan is another story actually.
It's not because they're proud of their language, but because it's very difficult for them to learn English.


agree. they're too lazy to learn it since it really hard to spell


a programmer

woa, can you teach me E121F? I'm a beginner.. 1st semsester on computer science :D

[arthran88]

is here anybody who can teach me japanese???? :( :( :(

[N3M3S1S]

There is another topic for Japanese, you should post there.

[Morning-Mist]

lol~! I prefer learning English and Chinese than Japanese... because it makes us easier to get work

[N3M3S1S]

Yes Mandarin is more useful these days.
But depends on the needs as well, for example if you like Japanese game & animes or want to work in Japanese company it might help.

[E121F]

woa, can you teach me E121F? I'm a beginner.. 1st semsester on computer science :D
first year sure is fun for comp sci undergrad :D

which programming language?

[Realta Nua]

IMO, I feel that Mandarin is just a period-wonder..
I think China will face a period of depression later, although it might be in many years..
CMIIW

I'm happy with English only.. It's ironic since I'm a Chinese lol

[E121F]

Mandarin is important... but I hate to learn it :(

[heihachiro]

Mandarin is important... but I hate to learn it :(
:D ;D
what makes you hate it? Chinese kanji? or it spelling?
I think in Asian countries business Mandarin has great influence, so it really important to capable speak with it
(but I cannot ::hohoho:: )

[Morning-Mist]

i'm tryin to learn chinese right now

[N3M3S1S]

I'm happy with English only.. It's ironic since I'm a Chinese lol
Nowadays I think it's better to learn a third language once you've learned English.
It's gonna be useful someday.

[Realta Nua]

Nowadays I think it's better to learn a third language once you've learned English.
It's gonna be useful someday.


I wanna learn.. Either French, Germany or Japanese ^_^
Which one do all of you recommend? Thanks in advance ^_^

[N3M3S1S]

Well it's depends on your preference actually, which one do you have the most interest?

Or... for example if you like Europe or plan to study there, French or German.

Another commonly used language is Spanish, since many Central and South American countries.

Or why don't learn all of them, since you're still young... :D
I myself can understand 5 languages, but only fluent 2 though... ;p
But always prioritize your choice.

[jojox]

i'd go for French, then Spanish, and Porto, probably some Italian on the way....

never got interested in german and alike. ::grin::

[Realta Nua]

How about.. Germany and Russian? ^_^
The second one is so uncommon.. I wonder why?

Actually, i wanna learn them all.. Wish me luck ^_^

[ceLz - PhaNe]

I always wanted to study Japanese language!It's really cool..

I can speak in three languages : indonesian , mandarin , english...

eventhough I can speak Mandarin ( but not fluently ) , I hate when it comes to Mandarin. Just the most boring lesson I've ever studied .. (maybe after Maths or History )

[N3M3S1S]

Yeah.. I'd really want to learn European languages... sounds really cool.
Either German, Italian, or French... well maybe someday.

Realta> I have a friend who studies Russian Literature... she said because it is unique and uncommon.

[Morning-Mist]

what if this world only have 1language ^^?! maybe people won't have problems to study outside

[N3M3S1S]

I heard once from my friend that some people are developing a new language, the one language that can be learned easily by people from any countries in the world and would act as the unification language for the world.
I don't know whether this is true or not, but it's gonna be really interesting if it is.

[Realta Nua]

The world once has one languange..
Remember The Tower of Babylon? Genesis 11:1-9 ^_^

I wanna study so many languages XD

[jojox]

i believe we are speaking THAT language now. ::ngakak2::

well..that's my belief. shouldnt matter much.
::kabur::

[Morning-Mist]

Body Language lah the best =p lol

[heihachiro]

i believe we are speaking THAT language now. ::ngakak2::

well..that's my belief. shouldnt matter much.
::kabur::
::ngakak::
I do believe that too ;D
body language or ... Tarzan language? :D

[Realta Nua]

Body language? Quite useful..

I have this ecperience.. When was in Thailand, i visited one shop doesn't know much English.. So, i was just pointung at the things i want to buy, and... Transaction completed! lol

[N3M3S1S]

That's true... language barrier is not a problem because we all know body language... :D

[jojox]

but it can be confusing tho'.

There is this Nepal guy, a good friend of mine. He brought me over to a party where tons of
Indians and Nepaleses hang out. We drank and mess around for a bit or so. I noted that
their "head-language" didnt always seem conformative. In fact, when they shook their heads
as we often yield to give out the " NO" answer, they dont always mean that, sometimes it can mean "yes". hoaaamm.....some interesting fact. .

[0600661160]

hey...
anybody have a motivation letter sample for master degree?
i'd like to write one but I don't have any sample of it...
little bit confused where to start...

thx for advance...

[jazzoholic]

thx for advance...
thanks in advance, not thanks for advance :)

[0600661160]

thanks in advance, not thanks for advance :)
thx for the advice jazz boy!

[Bad-13]

Lol...I didn't notice it 'till jazz posted it... ;D

err...nem what motivation letter anyway ? I didn't quite get it...for a master degree ? ::bingung::

[jojox]

i got one sample of that letter.
it's just that....i havent been quite successful in getting admitted to a master-program with that letter. so ....i kinda have to hesitate. ::grin::

[0600661160]

i got one sample of that letter.
it's just that....i havent been quite successful in getting admitted to a master-program with that letter. so ....i kinda have to hesitate. ::grin::
no...
the motivational letter is only for admisson requirement..
i don't know for getting admitted or not..
attach here jox..

[LeLuna]

I need a translator, what's the Indonesian for stained glass?

[fisk_82]

In Indonesian, it means 'kaca berwarna'. I check it on alfa link :D.

@0600 You can try to googling it.

[clickdoank]

I wanna learn.. Either French, Germany or Japanese ^_^
Which one do all of you recommend? Thanks in advance ^_^

The most important thing is not about how many languages you should learn, but it is more on how much time do you have to practice these languages everyday.

I have learnt French for 3 years during my high shool. After my graduation and my departed to Singapore, I never talked or spoke French. So, at the end, I gave it back to my teacher ::ngakak2::

I have learnt Japanese language for one semester during my university day. After my Japanese examination, I never touched my book again and almost forgot all the katakana and hiragana (don't even mention the kanji ::ngakak2:: )

I have learnt chinese language too. But, once again, I gave everything back to the teacher since I never used it anymore ::grrr::

[N3M3S1S]

looks like you are easily lost interest in language learning... ;D
you're right btw, even if we mastered it and never practice nor use it again afterwards, we would slowly forget it as time goes by.